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I have to say that we leased a 2021 Lexus and it was a flimsy piece of crap. ES350 Sport, Limited Edition Haliburton Black Package. It lasted about 7 months with us and we traded for the Challenger.
I can't recommend a new Toyota.
I can't speak much to Lexus. It's "supposed" to be the upscale Toyota but dunno. We looked at an IS or RC 350 something for Mrs. Speedy when she was shopping but we both hated the dated interior. Literally looked like it was from 1997. She got an Infiniti Q60 Red Sport instead. That Q60 is a nice car but the infotainment is a bit odd for me, and the seat belt rids too high on my neck.

My 4Runner has been amazing. I get offers all the time from folks to buy it and they're almost up to what I bought it for. I'm keeping it though and may even start a restoration project on it to update the leather and some other niggles that are showing their 21 year old age. It's even been supercharged for like 15 years and hasn't skipped a beat taking 11psi and making double the factory horse power. What I love most is it knows it's a truck and isn't trying to be an iPhone :)

@DGatzby you guys probably know more than I do about the stock market and what not. I let a financial manager handle that for me and it's done what I'd consider "good" so I've let that ride. I'm not much of a gambler so steady growth works for me rather than the huge swings. I don't remember it being so volatile a while back, like maybe 10 or so years ago? A friend at work that focuses on this stuff told me it's due to two reasons. Any joe blow can day trade now without any required training. Get a bunch of joe blows panicking and buying and selling on a whim and you get these odd swings. Also, how much artificial intelligence is involved with computers making big trades adding fuel to that fire.

On gas, I understand capitalism and free markets but I've never understood why something like fuel is allowed to be traded on the open market. Supply and demand should set the price directly, not what investors "think" the supply and or demand are or what they hope it to be. Back when I was in college it must not have been traded on the market since the corner store by school was .93cents a gallon the entire time I was in college. Never budged.
 


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I can't speak much to Lexus. It's "supposed" to be the upscale Toyota but dunno. We looked at an IS or RC 350 something for Mrs. Speedy when she was shopping but we both hated the dated interior. Literally looked like it was from 1997. She got an Infiniti Q60 Red Sport instead. That Q60 is a nice car but the infotainment is a bit odd for me, and the seat belt rids too high on my neck.

My 4Runner has been amazing. I get offers all the time from folks to buy it and they're almost up to what I bought it for. I'm keeping it though and may even start a restoration project on it to update the leather and some other niggles that are showing their 21 year old age. It's even been supercharged for like 15 years and hasn't skipped a beat taking 11psi and making double the factory horse power. What I love most is it knows it's a truck and isn't trying to be an iPhone :)

@DGatzby you guys probably know more than I do about the stock market and what not. I let a financial manager handle that for me and it's done what I'd consider "good" so I've let that ride. I'm not much of a gambler so steady growth works for me rather than the huge swings. I don't remember it being so volatile a while back, like maybe 10 or so years ago? A friend at work that focuses on this stuff told me it's due to two reasons. Any joe blow can day trade now without any required training. Get a bunch of joe blows panicking and buying and selling on a whim and you get these odd swings. Also, how much artificial intelligence is involved with computers making big trades adding fuel to that fire.

On gas, I understand capitalism and free markets but I've never understood why something like fuel is allowed to be traded on the open market. Supply and demand should set the price directly, not what investors "think" the supply and or demand are or what they hope it to be. Back when I was in college it must not have been traded on the market since the corner store by school was .93cents a gallon the entire time I was in college. Never budged.
Their design and technology are way behind most western countries cars.
 


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Story i saw today is production is down in China because of covid so they are not using as much oil so the prices are dropping
If anyone sneezes in China, they shut down for COVID.
I read an article or two over the summer about manufacturers just done with China and looking to move to another country that isn't going to shut down because someone gets a cough.

I'm really interested to see where China ends up. In the 80s, Japan seemed to build everything. Now they are in a shit position economically. I can see China becoming too big for its britches and losing out on billions over this bug issue.


Not to mention the counterfeit items and stolen information that seems to run rampant over there. Its about time companies wake up and move out.

I'd really like to see Mexico get organized and take on some of this stuff. Closer to home, cheaper wages, but maybe they can end some of the corruption and turn it into a decent country.

Probably get rid of our illegals problem as well. But thats not woke enough or something
 


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China makes an entire business, hell even business strategy as a country to steal everything. I spent a month in Hong Kong and Beijing some years back and it's rampant. You never knew if you were buying a legit item or not unless you could somehow tell by the quality. Want a $1000 software package for $3, visit the local convenience store and ask the clerk, they'll hand you a copy no problem with a working install key and all.

I built a circuit for map clamps years ago and had the circuit boards printed by a company for mass production. Came back from China and I'm sure they kept my design.
 


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If anyone sneezes in China, they shut down for COVID.
I read an article or two over the summer about manufacturers just done with China and looking to move to another country that isn't going to shut down because someone gets a cough.

I'm really interested to see where China ends up. In the 80s, Japan seemed to build everything. Now they are in a shit position economically. I can see China becoming too big for its britches and losing out on billions over this bug issue.


Not to mention the counterfeit items and stolen information that seems to run rampant over there. Its about time companies wake up and move out.

I'd really like to see Mexico get organized and take on some of this stuff. Closer to home, cheaper wages, but maybe they can end some of the corruption and turn it into a decent country.

Probably get rid of our illegals problem as well. But thats not woke enough or something
China will get hammered IF ppl are cool with paying a bit more for items made here...with our ppl and our labor

For -decades- The US (EU too) became enchanted with cheap (both inexpensive and crap) goods simply due to low prices. Corporations got greedy and kicked their workers in the balls by outsourcing. All of this is now FINALLY coming home to roost. Lots of jobs coming back to the US and supply chain inequities that went smoothly pre-pandemic are now being resourced through our country and other more stable (and less toxic) regimes.

I think China will see a long-term downtrend. The Japan analogy is pretty good especially if you add in the debt loads both ramped up to be in that #1 exporter position.

Add in internal political strife and it could get ugly over there pretty soon. GOP and DEMS both to blame for this multi-decadal screw-up where everyone looked the other way, so let's get that straight. Hopefully, we can be USA first going forward. And yeah, that tee shirt might be 15 bux versus 5 but I'm ok with that especially since it will last a lot longer than the POS they'd produce, lol.
 


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Happy to allow hired professional managers take care of the big dish of money. I have fun with a small amount of cash that I use on stuff about as recommended as going to a casino. Ha, but some days can be exciting! Last week I was losing, but held, if today and tomorrow work, I’ll likely get into cash. But, who knows, we all have seen end of year moves that are crazy.
Roulette: red or black? Same shit for us dumb car nuts.:p
About 10 today I put my chips on red (short) and did well (for a change)! I did not sell so I will be a victim of tomorrow!
 


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About 10 today I put my chips on red (short) and did well (for a change)! I did not sell so I will be a victim of tomorrow!
Nice move!
 


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My guess is that it's because the average person (voter) doesn't realize that overall the diesel prices are by far more important than the price of gas.

Need to appease the sheep? Lower the gas prices. Done.
We heat our homes with diesel (dyed), up here, many people buy more heating oil than gas, but you don't see the price in lights on every corner every day. People are so stupid.
 


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Yeah, although I was thinking more along the lines of trucking, ships, trains, and such. The stuff that keeps the world moving.

And I do feel sorry for those who use heating oil, diesel, etc. for heating. That's not an indirect hit.
 


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Yeah, although I was thinking more along the lines of trucking, ships, trains, and such. The stuff that keeps the world moving.

And I do feel sorry for those who use heating oil, diesel, etc. for heating. That's not an indirect hit.
Natural gas for heating is no joke either. Was 8 bux/therm. 3 and change this time last year! Shocking bill in November.
 


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It was about $2.50 in 2020. This morning $6.63. It was over $9 earlier this year. Oh, don’t worry they are taking a victory lap in Washington, things are so much better.

When winter really descends upon the USA later this week people will begin to see it more clear. So far the temperatures have been joking around. My Hellcat will need to get along about ten degrees colder in my garage this season.
 


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It was about $2.50 in 2020. This morning $6.63. It was over $9 earlier this year. Oh, don’t worry they are taking a victory lap in Washington, things are so much better.

When winter really descends upon the USA later this week people will begin to see it more clear. So far the temperatures have been joking around. My Hellcat will need to get along about ten degrees colder in my garage this season.
That's it...take it out on the car...:(
 


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My Hellcat will need to get along about ten degrees colder in my garage this season.
I'm already there, and it hasn't even really got cold yet.

I really, really hope that I can get the boiler working again before the heated floor freezes and cracks the concrete.
While searching for new control board, I came across the fact that this boiler is only made to work at 0-7,000 feet.

Ooops. Well, it has worked here for about 10 years, so it should be possible to make it stay lit again.
 


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I'm already there, and it hasn't even really got cold yet.

I really, really hope that I can get the boiler working again before the heated floor freezes and cracks the concrete.
While searching for new control board, I came across the fact that this boiler is only made to work at 0-7,000 feet.

Ooops. Well, it has worked here for about 10 years, so it should be possible to make it stay lit again.
What elevation are you at?
 


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Apparently about 500 feet too many.
Ah, whats an extra 500 feet among friends (and boilers)! 🤪
 




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